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This is my list. If I've missed anything please let me know:

Argentina

Rivadavia class
Rivadavia
Moreno



Austria

Radetzky class
Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand
Radetzky
Zrinyi

Viribus Unitis class
Viribus Unitis
Tegetthoff
Szent István
Prinz Eugen



Brazil

Minas Gerais class
Minas Gerais
São Paulo



Chile

Almirante Latorre class
Almirante Latorre
Almirante Cochrane



France

Danton class
Danton
Condorcet
Diderot
Mirabeau
Vergniaud
Voltaire

République class
Patrie
République

Courbet class
Courbet
France
Jean Bart
Paris

Normandie class
Flandre
Gascogne
Languedoc
Normadie
Béarn

Lyon class
Dunquesne
Lille
Lyon
Tourville

Dunkerque class
Dunkerque
Strasbourg

Richelieu class
Jean Bart
Richelieu
Clemenceau



Germany

Deutschland class
Deutschland
Hannover
Pommern
Schlesien
Schleswig-Holstein

Nassau class
Nassau
Posen
Rheinland
Westfalen

Helgoland class
Helgoland
Oldenburg
Ostfriesland
Thuringen

Von der Tan

Kaiser class
Friedrich der Grosse
Kaiser
Kaiserin
Konig Albert
Prinzregent Luitpold

Konig class
Grosser Kurfurst
Konig
Kronprinz (later Kronprinz Wilhelm)
Markgraf

Moltke class
Goeben
Moltke

Seydlitz

Derfflinger class
Derfflinger
Lutzow
Hindenburg

Mackensen class
Mackensen
Prinz Eitel Friedrick
Graf Spee
Fürst Bismarck

Bayern class
Baden
Bayern
Sachsen
Wurttemberg

Deutschland class
Admiral Graf Spee
Admiral Scheer
Deutschland (later renamed Lutzow)

Scharnhorst class
Gneisenau
Scharnhorst

Bismarck class
Bismarck
Tirpitz



Italy

Regina Margherita class
Benedetto Brin
Regina Margherita

Regina Elena class
Napoli
Roma
Regina Elena
Vittorio Emanuele

Dante Alighieri

Francesco Caracciolo class
Cristoforo Colombo
Francesco Caracciolo
Francesco Morosini
Marcantonio Colonna

Conte di Cavour class
Conte di Cavour
Giulio Cesare
Leonardo da Vinci

Andrea Doria class
Andrea Doria
Caio Duilio

Vittorio Veneto class
Vittorio Veneto
Littorio
Roma
Impero



Japan

Fuji class
Fuji
Yashima

Shikishima class
Hatsuse
Shikishima
Asahi

Kashima class
Kashima
Katori

Mikasa

Satsuma class
Satsuma
Aki

Kawachi class
Kawachi
Settsu

Kongo class
Hiei
Karuna
Kirishima
Kongo

Fuso class
Fuso
Yamashiro

Ise class
Hyuga
Ise

Nagato class
Mutsu
Nagato

Tosa class
Kaga
Tosa

Amagi class
Akagi
Amagi
Atago
Takao

Yamato class
Yamato
Musashi
Shinano (completed as an aircraft carrier)



Russia

Retvisan

Borodino class
Borodino
Imperator Alexander III
Kniaz Suvarov
Orel
Slava

Tsarevitch

Gangut class
Gangut
Petropavlovsk
Poltava
Sevastopol

Sovietsky Soyuz class
Sovietsky Soyuz
Sovietskaya Byelorussia
Sovietskaya Ukraina

Kirov class
Kirov (renamed Admiral Ushakov in 1992)
Frunze (renamed Admiral Lazarev)
Kalinin (renamed Admiral Nakhimov)
Yuri Andropov (christened Pyotr Velikiy)



Spain

España class
España
Alfonso XIII
Jaime I



Sweden

Sverige



United Kingdom

Duncan class
Albemarle
Cornwallis
Duncan
Exmouth
Montagu
Russell

King Edward VII class
Africa
Britannia
Commonwealth
Dominion
Hibernia
Hindustan
King Edward VII
New Zealand

Lord Nelson class
Lord Nelson
Agamemnon

Dreadnought

Bellerophon class
Bellerophon
Superb
Téméraire

St. Vincent class
Collingwood
St. Vincent
Vanguard

Neptune/Colossus class
Neptune
Colossus
Hercules

Invincible class
Indomitable
Inflexible
Invincible

Iron Duke class
Iron Duke
Marlborough
Benbow
Emperor of India

Orion class
Conqueror
Monarch
Orion
Thunderer

Lion class
Lion
Princess Royal
Queen Mary

Agincourt

Tiger

Queen Elizabeth class
Queen Elizabeth
Warspite
Valiant
Barham
Malaya

Courageous class
Courageous
Glorious
Furious

Renown class
Renown
Repulse

Revenge class
Ramillies
Resolution
Revenge
Royal Oak
Royal Sovereign

Hood

Nelson class
Nelson
Rodney

King George V class
Prince of Wales
King George V
Duke of York
Anson

Vanguard



United States of America

Illinois class
Illinois
Alabama

South Carolina class
South Carolina
Michigan

Delaware class
Delaware
North Dakota

Florida class
Florida
Utah

Wyoming class
Wyoming
Arkansas

14-in Gun Series (Pennsylvania class)
New York
Texas
Nevada
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
Arizona

New Mexico class
New Mexico
Mississippi
Idaho

Colorado classs
Colorado
Maryland
Washington
West Virginia

Lexington class
Lexington
Constellation
Saratoga
Ranger
Constitution
United States

South Dakota class (BB49)
South Dakota
Indiana
Montana
North Carolina
Iowa
Massachusetts

Tennessee class
California
Tennessee

South Dakota class (BB57)
South Dakota
Indiana
Massachusetts
Alabama

North Carolina class
North Carolina
Washington

Iowa class
Iowa
New Jeresy
Missouri
Wisconsin

Alaska class
Alaska
Guam

Montana class
Montana
Ohio
Maine
New Hampshire
Louisiana
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Dec 2006, 18:24
Are you including battlecruiser-type ships? For example the Kirov class were not officially labelled battleships.

There probably isn't any reason why you couldn't include the battle cruisers, just something that could be clarified.
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Dec 2006, 18:28
I think a definition is needed for "battleship."

Because technically the Vasa is a battleship. (Swedish)
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Dec 2006, 20:59
Battle-cruisers are clearly in,

ala the Invincible class listed above.

As for "battleship" Fox is apparently using the definition of the post-Turret ship type from the turn of century- best characterized by the Majestic class of British ships.

In laymen terms, the last generation of pre-dreadnoughts.
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Dec 2006, 22:46
Well if battle-cruisers are in then Fox forgot Argentina's General Belgrano.
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Light cruiser.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Dec 2006, 15:17
General Belgrano was over hyped by the British government to make it appear to have been more of a threat than it actually was.

I opted to include battle-cruisers because depite being designed to a slightly different concept than battleships, they were frequently used as battleships (sometimes with disasterous consequences, perhaps most famously HMS Hood).

I have drawn a line at the turn of the century because prior to that it all gets a bit confused (due to the rapid technological changes of the time) and the ships do not really resemble what most people associate with "battleship".
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what most people associate with "battleship".


Shouldn't you stop with HMS Vanguard then?

Why include the Kirov class?
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Dec 2006, 15:49
Good point. I just decided on a starting point and then went on from there to list every ship I could find. I didn't think of selecting an end point because it didn't figure on any more battleships being built - ever - and so I might as well go to the end. Although, in retrospect, the Americans recommissioned the Iowa class battleships in response to those vessels, and so from that perspective they are relevant.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Dec 2006, 16:04
Fair enough- I think however that once the switch from the Big Gun to the guided missile occurs the concept of the battleship really no longer applies.

After all, the battleship is meant to stand in Line for tactical reasons, in that the line of battle provides an advantage in terms of gunnery and hence the name. However, with missile cruisers the concept ceases to exist. Though modern ships may engage in line formation (I recall a book on fast attack craft missile tactics which promoted the use of the line) the reason for such a method of engagement is wholly different.

Anyway, its a minor point. The Kirovs, in my mind, are merely large Guided Missile Cruisers.

Though, since their size is clearly a prestige move (given that a ship a tenth their size could easily fill the same niche), rather then any kind of militarily advantageous move, I can see how they can be ranked as battleships- since, naturally, the battleship holds a certain degree of prestige inherent in its name and purpose.

On the other hand, if prestige is the factor on hand, then central ship in the battle-group would technically be a "battleship" and hence one could include aircraft carriers in that category.

For me, the Battleship will always be the Big Gun Ship, for purposes of simplicity above all else.
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Well, the next stage is for me to turn the list into a HTML table, and from there they can all be classified as to what sub-type of battleship they are.
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Light cruiser.


Ah. My mistake.
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HTML table, and from there they can all be classified as to what sub-type of battleship they are.


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As for "battleship" Fox is apparently using the definition of the post-Turret ship type from the turn of century- best characterized by the Majestic class of British ships.


Then he has missed out the fact that both Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were the THIRD of that name. Whilst the origionals of 1870 (+-) may not count. The two from WWI deffinately do.

Under the U.K section, going from the position in the list, I am assuming these are the second war list. In that case;
Courageous class
Courageous
Glorious
Furious

Were Air craft carriers.

And what happened to the Belfast?
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Then he has missed out the fact that both Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were the THIRD of that name. Whilst the origionals of 1870 (+-) may not count. The two from WWI deffinately do.


I will have to look into that. Do you have any links?

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Under the U.K section, going from the position in the list, I am assuming these are the second war list. In that case;
Courageous class
Courageous
Glorious
Furious

Were Air craft carriers.


They were designed and built as battle cruisers. They were later converted to aircraft carriers. That said they were strange ships. Whilst "Battle-cruiser" was their original designation, they were actually designed for coastal bombardment in support of an amphibious attack in the Baltic. The attack was never realised, but Furious mounted two 18-inch guns, which at the time were the largest navel guns in the world.

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And what happened to the Belfast?


Care to elaborate?
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Then he has missed out the fact that both Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were the THIRD of that name. Whilst the origionals of 1870 (+-) may not count. The two from WWI deffinately do.


I will have to look into that. Do you have any links?


No links to hand. ButSchlachtschiff Scharnhorst, Heinrich Bredemeier, Pavillion press Nr 02/333 1962 and 2003. PP316.

"Panzerkreuzer Scharnhorst. Stapellauf(launch) 1906 (Wie auch Schwesterschiffe (the same as Sister ship) "Gneisenau") both Sunk 08/12/1914 at the Battle of the Falklands."

Some links for you.

www.kaiserliche-marine.de

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The Scharnhorst of WWI was an armoured cruiser, hence the name, "Panzerkreuzer Schiff".

Not to be mistaken with Schlachtkreuzer Schiff.

Indeed, they were laid down long before the notion of the modern "battlecrusier" had even come into existence, let alone, they're light armament (8 inch cruiser guns instead of 12 inch battleship/battlecruiser guns) and low displacement (5,000 tons below the Invincible class of battlecruisers) keep them strictly in the cruiser range.

So, no, they "definitely" do not count.
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Given. But as you did mention light cruiser, above. Then the Sharnhorst/Gnesenau class were heavier than that.
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In pre-Dreadaught warfare, there are four types of crusiers:

Cruisers, Protected cruisers, Light cruisers, and Armoured cruisers.

Cruisers are essentially fast scouting vessels often converted from merhcnat ships, and are very sparesly armed. Protected cruisers are slightly heavier, featuring larger calibre guns. Light cruisers eventually replace protected and unproteced cruisers after the emmergence of the Dreadnaught.They combine speed with armerent, but are still very lightly armed. Armoured crusiers, as the name implies, are heavily armoured cruisers, featuring medium to heavy calibre weaponery. However, they are not true battlecruisers as they lack the "all big gun" ship armerment which is featured on the battlecruiser.

You could describe them as "proto-battlecruisers" but this would be an anacharism as the role of the armoured cruiser was slightly different from that of the battlecruiser, though, as the Dreadnaught era approached, they were sometimes fielded in that role. For example, the IJN used its armoued cruisers to fill spots in their battleship line which had been vacated by the loss of two of their 6 battleships to mines.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Dec 2006, 04:12
"You could describe them as "proto-battlecruisers"

A sort of "Pocket cruiser" :)

I was thinking what you said earlier with;

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As for "battleship" Fox is apparently using the definition of the post-Turret ship type from the turn of century- best characterized by the Majestic class of British ships.


So it does return to the question, what is meant by "battle ship". As the designations changed greatly from 1900 to, well today with the U.S.S Missouri. Allthough I believe they have mothballed her again just recently. The Gneisenau class were turn of century post-turrets ships...or?

Oh. an aside question. Those links I have put in which seem to have sent the page into Wide screen land.

I have seen on many sites where you just get LINK. And that contains the info.

Is it possible to do that here?

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