The History Forum
The History Forum .com - The historical discussion forum.
[ Register ][ Login ]
[ Forum Rules ][ F.A.Q. ][ Search ]
The History Forum » Special Content » Battleships » Icebreakers.
Icebreakers.
  NEW TOPIC      POST REPLY  
Log-in to remove advertisement.
17% Fossilised
User avatar
Joined: Fri 18 Jan 2008, 19:39
Posts: 357
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sat 13 Dec 2008, 11:46
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_breaker

Could icebreakers be armed for military purposes, or would that interfere with their primary functions? That would be very useful for waging war in colder climates.
Image
The History Forum
[]
Posted:
18% Fossilised
User avatar
Joined: Sat 04 Jan 2003, 07:32
Posts: 361
Location: Europe
PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2008, 03:27
Ice-breaker hulls are not optimal for speed, which is a key factor in warship design. Also the ice-breaker design allows the ship to break the ice by riding up onto it and breaking it with the ship's weight. In order to do that there may be an optimal size for the vessel, placing a limit on the ship's size. That may make it unsuitable for some military purposes.
17% Fossilised
User avatar
Joined: Fri 18 Jan 2008, 19:39
Posts: 357
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2008, 10:57
Quote:
Ice-breaker hulls are not optimal for speed, which is a key factor in warship design. Also the ice-breaker design allows the ship to break the ice by riding up onto it and breaking it with the ship's weight. In order to do that there may be an optimal size for the vessel, placing a limit on the ship's size. That may make it unsuitable for some military purposes.


I was thinking that they would be more suited for surprise hit & run attacks, but could be backed up by, fueling ships, and military vessels for when they pulled out. How effective would a submarine be at breaking ice from below?
Image
5% Fossilised
User avatar
Joined: Sun 30 Mar 2008, 03:16
Posts: 115
Location: Puerto Rico
PostPosted: Thu 25 Dec 2008, 21:44
Quote:
How effective would a submarine be at breaking ice from below?


I would imagine not very, since it does not have gravity on its side. It can't break the ice with its weight.
Image
"Aren't tracer rounds illegal?" -Jamie Hyneman
27% Fossilised
User avatar
Joined: Fri 25 Jun 2004, 20:41
Posts: 542
Location: Maryland, USA
PostPosted: Sat 27 Dec 2008, 02:03
The only way a sub could effectively break ice without actually blasting through it would be as a drill.

Image
Figure 1. An early submarine-drill.
5% Fossilised
User avatar
Joined: Sun 30 Mar 2008, 03:16
Posts: 115
Location: Puerto Rico
PostPosted: Sat 27 Dec 2008, 19:20
I don't think that would quite work out since it can't actually break the ice longitudinally. Just perforate it.
Image
"Aren't tracer rounds illegal?" -Jamie Hyneman
27% Fossilised
User avatar
Joined: Fri 25 Jun 2004, 20:41
Posts: 542
Location: Maryland, USA
PostPosted: Sat 27 Dec 2008, 21:12
My point exactly.
18% Fossilised
User avatar
Joined: Sat 04 Jan 2003, 07:32
Posts: 361
Location: Europe
PostPosted: Sun 28 Dec 2008, 13:14
Submarines can break through the North Pole ice cap.

American subs:
http://web.mst.edu/~rogersda/military_service/subs.htm

British Sub:
http://www.seaice.org.uk/research/tireless2004.html
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/server?show ... geIndex=26

During the cold war the North pole was considered a good place for ICBM submarines to operate because they are harder to track and sink under the ice cap, yet they could still search for thin sections of ice to break through and launch their missiles. The only effective weapon to track and sink a submarine below the ice was another submarine.
Log-in to remove advertisement.
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
  NEW TOPIC      POST REPLY  
The History Forum » Special Content » Battleships » Icebreakers.
cron
More Forums: [ Politics Forum ][ UK Politics Forum ][ U.S.S.R. ]
[ Top ]
Copyright © 2004-2010 Siberian Fox network. Powered by phpBB.